Go Back   GoFastNews.com - All Racing News All the Time! > Performance Racing Forum > Engine Technology

Engine Technology From the novices to the pros, talk about engine technology. Moderated by David Vizard, professional engine developer and well-known technical writer.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 05-25-2008, 01:50 AM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3
single exhaust vs. duals

I have a 2005 Dodge ram. Hemi, 3.92 gear,LSD (posi) No options, regular cab short bed. It weighs 4900 lbs w/ (fat) driver. Best e.t. is 14.115@93.38 mph.
Mods are:k&n CAI, transgo shiftkit, superchips, home-brew/muffler shop cat-back exhaust. The exhaust is replacing the factory y-pipe w/ 2 pipes back to a Walker Dynomax 2 into 1 race series muffler, then into the stock 3" mandrel bent tailpipe and factory resonator.
My question is: At what point do I need to go to dual tailpipes?

I also would like to know if an x-pipe is a good idea.
The exhaust pipes both have to run on the passenger side, due to the location of the fuel tank.

If the pipes are that different in length, would the exhaust pulses "collide" and hurt flow? What about the "acoustic" effects?

If I changed the exhaust to duals, would it be worth it to have the driver's side (engine) exit the passenger side, and the passenger side (engine) cross over around the spare tire to "equalize" the pipe lengths.

The goal of these(and future)mods is to improve both efficiency and power.

I would like to add long tube headers, a 6.1 liter cam, and a 5.7 car intake manifold.
The goal being no loss in gas mileage, and a 13.50-ish et.
Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 05-25-2008, 07:28 AM
Devious's Avatar
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 73
A good place to start:
Auto Exhaust Science
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 05-25-2008, 08:17 PM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 79
I don't think it matters as long as both are sized properly.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 05-26-2008, 02:04 AM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3
That is an outstanding article. I did read that before my post. (brownnose alert) It is the type of article I have come to expect from that 'WIZARD" of technology. The reason I would buy any magazine with an article by him. On any subject. OK, maybe not Hillman Imp hop-ups. lol.
What I am looking for is a mathematical formula correlating pipe size vs. hp. And an answer to part 2 re:
Dissimilar secondary pipe lengths and the possible ramifications of x-pipes.
The efficacy of trying to even out overall pipe lengths by crossing pipe from one side to another, strictly for acoustic benefits.
thx,
pb
ps, gotta go, damn ox got loose again....... lol
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 05-26-2008, 05:10 PM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 24
DV, in the above cited article, provides a rule of thumb correlating pipe size to hp.

He said that each sq. in. of pipe area will flow 115 cfm of exhaust gas, and, 2.2 cfm of pipe flow will support 1 hp. Therefore ..

a 2.25" pipe flows 457 cfm and will support 207 hp ..
a 2.50"............... 564............................. 256 hp ..
a 3.00"............... 813............................. 369 hp
a 4.00"............... 1445............................ 656 hp

Please note his caution regarding the flow through the muffler must match the flow of the pipe dia. used before and after the muffler(s).

My cam guru says the X pipe and the H pipe do the same thing .. the important thing is to place them in the correct location (header design/cam spec consideration) and size them no smaller than 85% of the pipe diameter. Mine needed to be 19" downstream of the end of the primary tubes.

Last edited by MilesTugoh; 05-26-2008 at 06:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 05-26-2008, 05:18 PM
Tire Changer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ozarks
Posts: 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesTugoh View Post
DV, in the above cited article, provides a rule of thumb correlating pipe size to hp.

He said that each sq. in. of pipe area will flow 115 cfm of exhaust gas, and, each cfm of pipe flow will support 2.2hp. Therefore ..

a 2.25" pipe flows 457 cfm and will support 207 hp ..
a 2.50"............... 564............................. 256 hp ..
a 3.00"............... 813............................. 369 hp
a 4.00"............... 1445............................ 656 hp

Please note his caution regarding the flow through the muffler must match the flow of the pipe dia. used before and after the muffler(s).
I think you goofed the math.

As you said it is 2.2 times the cfm, not divided-by as you illustrated.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 05-26-2008, 06:29 PM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 24
Thanks for pointing out my error, BlackCat13, however, DV said 2.2cfm/hp, my error is in my written description, not my math. See paragraph five on the second page of the cited article.

I will correct my original post.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 05-27-2008, 01:10 AM
Tire Changer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ozarks
Posts: 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesTugoh View Post
Thanks for pointing out my error, BlackCat13, however, DV said 2.2cfm/hp, my error is in my written description, not my math. See paragraph five on the second page of the cited article.

I will correct my original post.
DV's quote
"Just make a reasonable estimate of its open exhaust power potential and multiply by 2.2. For instance, a V-8 making 500 horsepower on open exhaust will require 500 x 2.2 = 1100 cfm. Two 550-cfm mufflers will get the job done...."

Thanks for pointing out that I read too fast sometimes.

I was looking at a 2.25 pipe and seeing 207 hp.......

PER EACH CYLINDER BANK, and the normal dual exhaust supports TWICE the stated horsepower.

Thanks

(First mistake I ever made)
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 05-27-2008, 10:27 PM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3
thx for the feedback

By the formula stated, I am right up against it w the 3" single.
So time for 2.5" duals with the mods I plan to make. thx again
pb
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 05-28-2008, 01:07 PM
Garage Sweeper
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 24
I know of a fellow using two 2.25" into a Y into a single 4" pipe into a single 4" muffler and tailpipe. Muffler case length chosen to fill the space available . It is quiet and very low loss system.

If you used two 2.5" into the Y the 4" would still be adequate.

Last edited by MilesTugoh; 05-28-2008 at 01:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:09 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright ©2007 - 2008 GoFastNews.com LLC